Flow Interview – Nick Troutman – World Champion Kayaker
Dropping down 70ft waterfalls whilst pinned into a kayak is not for the fainthearted. However, for Nick Troutman, this is what he lives for. Most people would hit the panic alarm, but Nick is so used to getting into flow, he even does emergency adjustments as he is dropping vertically.
Nick Troutman is a world champion and five-time national champion kayaker, filmmaker, and philanthropist. He is highly respected in the river-sport community, and in addition to his competitive achievements has established several first descents while on expeditions in Mexico, Newfoundland, Ottawa, Zambia, Quebec, and the Niagara Gorge. His commitment to the river and exceptional kayaking skills are what drove us to track him down and ask him to join The Flow Centre.
To share some of his key insights we have created this blog so you can get to understand this unbelievable athlete.
We are driving around, checking out a whole bunch of different rivers and stuff.
Nice! How long are you there for?
WeÔÇÖre on the road probably for the next 8 to 10 months, I guess probably 8 months ÔÇô until like October, November. So, driving around in different states and countries and stuff like that.
Yeah ÔÇô tough life! (laughs)
Then back to Tennessee. Yeah, itÔÇÖs not too bad. (chuckle)
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When asked about whether he has experienced flow Nick’s response was:
Yeah, definitely – youÔÇÖve studied it a lot and are very knowledgeable on the whole thing, but what youÔÇÖre describingÔÇª I definitely have experienced that, and itÔÇÖs like ÔÇ£Oh yeah.ÔÇØ
Then thereÔÇÖs the times where…it seems likeÔÇª like an out-of-body experience, or that like youÔÇÖre no longer in control; where youÔÇÖre like ÔÇ£Whoa, how did that happen?!ÔÇØ
I guess the cool part would be to figure out how to get into it more often, being that whenever IÔÇÖm in the flow state I feel like IÔÇÖm just way better.
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I guess one of themÔÇª It happened several times, but one of them thatÔÇÖs has been very memorable for me wasÔÇª Actually, itÔÇÖs in the video I think, the highlight reel, where IÔÇÖm running a waterfall, IÔÇÖm in the green kayak and I slow it down in the video. Running that waterfall, we were there with a photographer and we kind of had to wait at the ~lip~ for like a couple of hours for him to get set up. And so the whole time of trying to just sit there calmly and be like ÔÇ£Okay, IÔÇÖm not even going to think about the waterfall. I scouted it, I know the line and IÔÇÖm going to nail the line.ÔÇØ type of thing, but then I had to really focus on, like zoning out and thinking about something totally different for the next couple of hoursÔÇª Because the longer I scout the waterfall and look at the waterfall, the more IÔÇª what I call getting demons in my head, but the more I think of different possible outcomes, and then maybe after thinking of all the different possible outcomes a bad outcome comes into my mind, and IÔÇÖm like ÔÇ£Well, if IÔÇÖm already imagining bad outcomes then I donÔÇÖt want to run the waterfall anymore.ÔÇØ so I try to only think of the good outcomes.
But anyway, it was kind of this weird experience to zone out at the ~lip of this~ waterfall and just think of other stuff. And then when I did run the waterfall, itÔÇÖs almost likeÔÇª hard for me to recall, because itÔÇÖs like I paddled in, and then I knew the line that I wanted to do ÔÇô like, get close to the left ÔÇô but then my boat spun a little bit and I had to do this correction stroke and pull it back while I was dropping down vertical ÔÇô like, a lot of different boat control happening all at once. And I donÔÇÖt necessarily remember doing any of it, I just did it. There was never like an ÔÇ£Oh, sh**! IÔÇÖm not where I want to be, I need to correct this.ÔÇØ or ÔÇ£Oh, it would be better if I did this.ÔÇ£ It was just likeÔÇª I wasnÔÇÖt thinking, I just did it all and it was perfect.
Then afterwards I remember being like ÔÇ£Oh, what just happened? How did I do that?ÔÇØ Like, I did a lot of things in a very short period of time and I donÔÇÖt remember trying to do any of them, I just did it all. It was just one of those experiences that I guess I felt like I wasnÔÇÖt thinking, I was just reacting, but reacting so quickly.
That was one of the ones that was super memorable for me, but that happens quite often to a certain extent, where you just kind of react I guess and youÔÇÖre not necessarilyÔÇª not thinking necessarily like ÔÇ£Oh, IÔÇÖm going to put here and pull myself that way, or IÔÇÖm going to do this and that.ÔÇØ ÔÇô you just kind of do it. I donÔÇÖt know if that has to do with ~just several~ years of paddling, or if itÔÇÖs some other thing in the brain, itÔÇÖs kind of like justÔÇª I donÔÇÖt know. ThereÔÇÖs a lot of things that happen that always made me wonder, like ÔÇ£Oh, I wonder how you do that?ÔÇØ or ÔÇ£I wonder ~whatÔÇÖs actually happening?ÔÇØ Because sometimes it feels like my brain just shuts off and I’m better when it does.
It was a very unique experience where just everything felt all connected and I could do whatever I wanted, it was almost like if I imagined it would work. Everything was happening quicker and better and easier, andÔÇª I donÔÇÖt know….a unique experience for sure. ThatÔÇÖs probably the strongest time that I can really remember, but it happens quite often doing anything thatÔÇÖsÔÇölike, what I consider technical whitewater, where IÔÇÖm nervous about a drop or a rapid or something like that, I frequently find that I kind ofÔÇª I donÔÇÖt know, I justÔÇª I guess you can call it like youÔÇÖre in the zone, or youÔÇÖre just more in-tuned maybe because ofÔÇª Whether itÔÇÖs fear or any of that that kicks in, or adrenaline, but sometimes the harder the whitewater the more I zone out and just react a little bit.
I keep saying reacting, and I donÔÇÖt know if thatÔÇÖs the right term or not, but I guess itÔÇÖs just the word that I use because IÔÇÖm not necessarily thinking like ÔÇ£Oh, I want to drive my boat farther this way or that way, or boof the hole or whatever.ÔÇØ I kind of just do it all, almost as if IÔÇÖm on autopilot and a much better paddler is paddling my boat.
So what about your freestyle experiences?
Yeah, I was going to say that in freestyle itÔÇÖs a bit differentÔÇª I donÔÇÖt know if itÔÇÖs a different experience or what, or maybe just a different level of the same kind of experience, but thereÔÇÖs definitely times whereÔÇª a couple in particular that I can think of where I just had the best rides I could possibly have. I donÔÇÖt know if itÔÇÖsÔÇölike obviously I was training hard for those events and practicing a lot and was in good physical shape and all that stuff, but at the same time itÔÇÖs a little different because you drop into the wave ÔÇô and youÔÇÖve got 60 seconds or 45 seconds, depending on the competition ÔÇô and it was just like bam-bam-bam, like I would just do one move right after another, right after another.
I wasnÔÇÖt wasting time, I wasnÔÇÖt doing anything, but I was very aware of where I was on the wave exactly, just super in-tune with my boat, my edge control, the current, the flows of the wave itself, and it just felt like I was almost invincible, the same kind of thing where whatever I wanted to do I could do and I did it. Being that youÔÇÖre under a time limit for the competition, the more tricks you do and the harder the tricks the more points you get, soÔÇª Yeah, I was able to do essentially everything that I wanted to do.
So what routines or preparation did you have prior to the comp that helped you get into flow?
Going into the competition I had a set routine that I wanted to do, but I hadnÔÇÖt necessarily ever completed it in the time frame before or even in practice. But it was just like I could just drop in and do whatever I wanted, and if I was in the wrong spot of the wave or something like that then I could just re-manoeuvre myself and I could get back into the right spot and continue going way quicker than normal. I guess a lot of it is just youÔÇÖre not wasting time thinking, youÔÇÖre just doing, which is pretty cool.
Both of them I was doing a lot of mental practice, just essentially doing the routine in my head. But a lot of it as well was just really trying to stay positive. In both situations there was a lot of pressure and a lot of peopleÔÇª YouÔÇÖre sitting in agony with all the rest of the people that are in finals, and thereÔÇÖs just this severe amount of stress in the air, you can just feel that everybody is stressed. For me, at the time it was likeÔÇª I had this bubble around me, and I would just be so happy and try to calm everybody else down. IÔÇÖd be like ÔÇ£Hey guys, no need to stress! This is so much fun!ÔÇØ and just really being super positive about the whole experience, and I think that same positivity then, when I would drop into the ~feature~, there was no stress about flushing or missing a trick or anything like that, and justÔÇª I donÔÇÖt know, I just had this feeling like I know IÔÇÖm going to do it (Win World Championships).
Maybe thatÔÇÖs why I was also so positive at the time, or maybe that feeling came because of the positive outlook beforehand. But yeah, thatÔÇÖsÔÇª ItÔÇÖs a very unique experience for sure. ItÔÇÖs a little bit like feeling invincible.
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The first World Championships I ever did, I had a lot of really good rounds where I was winning the whole time, and then in the finals the wave changed for the very last ride, and I hadÔÇª At the time I was undefeated through the whole round, and I had this routine in my head that I was trying to do and I had never completed it, and then in my final ride of the event I completed it and I was just thinking like ÔÇ£Oh, IÔÇÖm untouchable ÔÇô nobody could touch that!ÔÇØ But, because the wave changed and it was a little foamier, some of the judges didnÔÇÖt like some of the tricks, and so I ended up in third. I guess itÔÇÖs a different thing (flow) to your resultsÔÇª Like, sometimes your results donÔÇÖt show, but the flow state still is there, if that makes any sense. Like, I could still tap into that same mindset, even though the results werenÔÇÖt the exact same.
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It almost forces you to go into these fight, flight, freeze, or flow situations whereÔÇª Like, I was explaining before, once you peel out of an eddy and youÔÇÖre essentially approaching a rapidÔÇª There is no turning back, youÔÇÖre in the lion den, you have to come out victorious, or something horrible is going to go wrong. IÔÇÖve always explained when people ask why I love kayaking, I would explain that itÔÇÖs either the love of nature, which is definitely a part of it, but a big part of it is the forced decision-making. YouÔÇÖre forced into these situations to make extremely quick decisions. Like, riverÔÇÖs very different than a half-pipe, a half-pipe youÔÇÖve got something solid where youÔÇÖre going to go down and youÔÇÖre going to come back up.
You can run the same rapid 100 times, and because water, the way it flows through a river and stuff like that, itÔÇÖs never constant ÔÇô the only constant is that itÔÇÖs constantly changing. So, even though you can pick a line and youÔÇÖre like ÔÇ£Okay, this is the line IÔÇÖm going to take.ÔÇØ the current might push you a different way, or something might just happen, and definitelyÔÇª A huge part of why I love kayaking is because of that forced quick decision-making, and itÔÇÖs almost like the way you were explaining just the fourÔÇª What IÔÇÖm going to call the four Fs, the fight, flight, freeze, or flow situations. ItÔÇÖs like youÔÇÖre forcing yourself into these situations to be put into, to choose one of the four I guess.
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We would like to thank Nick for his time and insight. We look forwards to following and helping Nick win Gold in the next championships.