Flow Interview – World Champion Kayaker Martina wegman

Flow Interview – World Champion Kayaker Martina wegman

Performance Skills

 

For those who do not know who Martina Wegman is…well, you are forgiven as freestyle kayaking is taking its time to reach households around the world. However, by the end of this article you won’t forget her.

Martina is taking the kayaking world by storm and in recent years she has become one of the most successful female contenders in freestyle kayaking. She has won the European Freestyle Championships and some of the highest profile whitewater races in the world, including the Teva Outdoor Games and the Sickline Extreme World Championships not one, two, but four times in a row. In recent years, she has sought out new challenges and decided to do what very few kayakers do and switch codes to slalom kayaker.

In one of our sessions at The Flow Centre, Martina gave us a low down of how she has won FOUR world titles and continues to turn heads.

 

When asked about what she focuses on during her greatest moments her reply was:

 

Martina: 
It’s hard to say. I’m usually, like even when I have a good run or when I race I still want ~to be a bit~ better…, because there’s always places to still improve, and I just want to be better and better.

 

Martina is known for dropping long 70ft waterfalls, so I asked whether she is always confident in her preparation. As we talked about one memorable drop she went on to say:

 

Martina: 
At the start it was like “No way I’m going to…” Like, I would never run a 70-foot waterfall, and once you’re at the top of it you’re like “Okay, let’s go!” I don’t even have to think about it twice because I feel certainly so confident and good about it that… Yeah, and once I did it I look back and I’m like “Why did I do that?! That’s just crazy!”

I was pretty relaxed about it, but in my mind I was like “I should be… Like, I should be really scared of this!” Because I was really scared at first when I looked at it, and then ~I saw~ somebody standing under the fall, and I was just signing to him. I was scared but I wasn’t really scared, but I was slowly drifting backwards because I wasn’t focused at all. He was kind of like a distraction. I wasn’t even really aware of it [the waterfall], and then I just had to flow into it.

Martina Wegman Kayaker

Cameron:
So do you often plan your route and goals beforehand?

 

Martina: 
For me in kayaking I don’t really want to set goals… because then I can be disappointed if I don’t run it, so I just don’t think about it…I’m just more focused to get the lines right…Of course you always want to do well, but I think for me it’s setting really small goals so I know I can’t be disappointed, but still trying to push to get that good result…I think I’m not super outcome-focused. My goal is to get better and better. [laughs] Like, today I was focusing on keeping my ~boat flat and trying to get a fast start on the upstreams. I guess every day you just try and do the courses better and better and focus on those little things.

 

Cameron:
So what are you focused on?

 

Martina: 
At the race I often don’t really think about all the detail, I’m just really focused on where to go. I’m like, “Oh, I’m not too sure how I’m going to get from here to there.” But I’m not worried about it, I will just see in the race… as long as I focus on where to go…the subconscious will take care of what I’m focused on. I’m not really focused on, ‘I have to be there, and do this (etc)’… I think less and just trust in my ability.

When I did the freestyle races 10 years ago we had a trainer and he always wanted to know what our plan was in the competition, and he knew from me that he didn’t even have to ask anymore because I wouldn’t say, I would just be like “Oh, I just go and just…~feel what I feel~.” But still I had a little bit of a plan, I knew which tricks I was good in and which I could do, I just didn’t really want to think about it too much. I just wanted to have fun and be like “Oh yeah, I’m just going to see where I go.” and my trainer accepted it because he knew that worked for me. I just needed to have a good time

Well, my goal is to just to get as good as I can…it’s always fun to win, but I don’t really care if somebody else is better, because that just makes you want to go harder and practice more to get on that same level.

 

Cameron:
Did you use any mental skills to prepare?

 

Martina: 
I think looking back at those races, I think I was quite intimidated about the race courses, so I definitely visualised myself more running it ~and wanted to be like~… I just really don’t want to mess up those lines, so I just focused really hard on getting in the right place.

I think just not thinking too much about it and just want to have fun; that’s what my preparation was, not to be too serious about it. Of course, you always want to do well, but I think just for me it’s just setting really small goals so I know I can’t be disappointed, but still trying to push to get that good result.

 

Cameron:
Do you focus on winning or being excellent?

 

Martina:
I think I’m not super outcome-focused, it’s more about having ~a personal good run rather than the races. Like, it’s always fun to win, but I don’t really care if somebody else is better, because that just makes you want to go harder and practice more to get on that same level.

~To get better and better. [laughs] Like, today I was… It’d different every time, but today I was focusing on keeping my ~boat flat~ and trying to get ~a fast start on the upstreams.~ I guess every day you set different courses, you just try and do the courses better and better and focus on those little things.

Like flat boats… You see my arm up here? You have to put in work here. There’s a lot of things you do in creeking which don’t work in slalom, when you tip the boat on top of the water, so jumping over little waves and holes, that again is like a total different technique from creeking. So, at the start I’m… Or still now I’m just trying to things that you have to work a bit different in slalom. Keeping the boat flat is probably one of the bigger things, and stay forward in your boat.

Well, my goal is to just to get as good as I can.… Because a lot of slalom paddlers, they started when they were seven or eight years old, and there’s not many people who cross over from creeking to slalom at my age, or even to cross over from creeking to slalom is kind of… Yeah, there’s not many people doing that. And a lot of people who creek, they also think when they cross over to slalom that it’s easy to get on the top. So, when they’re really good in creeking you almost think like “Yeah, I’ll be good in slalom.” which is totally not the fact. I just… Yeah, just trying still to get as high as I… Like, get as good as I can in slalom and just really push and train hard… Yeah, it’s hard to see. Really, again, in outcome terms it’s more personal, that I just want to do it really well.

 

The Flow Centre would like to take this opportunity to thank Martina for her time and energy.

 

Flow Interview – Tom Carroll – Legend & World Champion Surfer

Flow Interview – Tom Carroll – Legend & World Champion Surfer

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This year’s World Surf League Margaret River Drug Aware Pro 2015 was a truly special event. Not only did I get to spend some time in the Competitors VIP Tent talking with the current best surfers in the world, but I also got to see some insane surfing in some of the best conditions this leg of the tour has seen in years. Some highlights of the event can be seen here.

I met up with Tom Carroll at the event to chat about flow and understand how it has been instrumental to his life and surfing. For those that don’t know Tom Carroll he has been voted as one of the top 10 greatest surfers of all time and been crowned World Champion twice. Even today, at the age of 53, he continues to push limits, searching the globe to ride the world’s biggest swells for his TV series ‘Storm Surfers’. In fact, when I met up with him, he had just taken a huge beating, injuring his hip, at the intimidating Boat Ramps surf break – a break not for the feint hearted, especially on a day like today with massive swell.

After speaking to Nat Young and Josh Kerr about flow, whose responses echoed the sentiment ‘flow – I’m always in flow, it’s what a I live for’, the legend himself talked about how he sees flow and how he plugs-in.

 

tom carroll surfing

Cameron:  
Where’s the mic on this… down here. Maybe you hold it.

Tom:
“Okay, yeah.”

Cameron:
How did you feel when you’re in it (Flow) and what was your top experiences like?

Tom: 
“Well, I had my first really clear flow movement experience when I was 13 years of age. Obviously I’ve done a lot of surfing, to that point, I’ve been already surfing since seven years of age. I was on a board that I absolutely loved, that really fitted into my body at that time. I was surfing a right-hand point-break which I hadn’t experienced before, but it was a very comfortable place to surf, or something that—I loved surfing a long wave where I got to do a lot of maneuvres on the wave. It was probably for the first time I’d actually ridden a wave where I could do that many maneuvres on, so I was pretty excited. You know, just excited to be out there, loved the board, so I was in a very nice environment. And then, towards the end of the session… I never forget, taking a wave a little bit longer and further down the beach and getting drifted down the beach to a whole new wave.”

“There was no one surfing on it, I was by myself so I got into the flow moment, which I recognised as a moment in time where nothing could go wrong. All my timing was absolutely perfectly in harmony with the wave, perfectly in harmony with my body movements and my timing and my understanding of what was happening at that time. I couldn’t get, I could not fall off the board even if I tried. That was a really clear moment, and I can feel it now, I can sense it in my body at this point – I’m 53 now so it’s a long time ago! So yeah, you’re looking at 40 years ago I can sort of get that real clear emotional response in my body to that.”

“It was a really lovely feeling, and I just wanted to stay out there and keep in that space, but obviously you’ve got to come in – you know, it’s getting dark.”

“It could’ve lasted—I can’t remember exactly the length of that time, but because of the nature of surfing… You know, I’m paddling out, looking for waves, feeling what’s the best wave to take, feeling the drop, feeling the move on the wave, and feeling totally in sync with how the wave was moving, and the board and how I was moving on the wave. It probably lasted up to… You know, I probably came in and out of the experience through that hour or two, but it was long, elongated, suspended… a suspended feeling of flow.”

Cameron:
Yeah. Describe when you were actually in it and on the wave, ~sort of~ the highest points.

Tom:    
“Yeah, yeah. The highest points was on the wave…

“I’d noticed clearly that I couldn’t fall off, that I was totally in sync. I could move wherever I wanted to, I knew with a sixth sense that I was able to push it, I was able to push my board to its limit and I could push myself to my limit at that time. There was no separation between me, the board and the wave, it was all connected and it was all kind of one thing, not separated at all; I was linked up

“The future, drawing way off into the future for my second really clear… and in competition feeling the flow moment was at the Pipe Masters in 1991, I had two day of getting into the flow moment during competition. I’d had a big year of competitive experience that year, I was ~fine-tuned~ emotionally, physically, and you’d have to say spiritually at the same time. My wife was having our first child and she was full of little Jenna. She’s 23 now by the way and also a ballerina, so she’s felt the flow.”

[laughs]

“In that time at the Pipe Masters I had several moments where I was just doing and not being, or I guess I was being and not doing; I don’t know how to separate that. I was in the flow in the moments where my body, the wave, the board… nothing was in the way. Everything was in sync, everything was in clear focus and I wasn’t thinking things through, I was just doing it and being it. There was a move that was recorded – you know, they call it the snap ~heard~ around the world, there was that move that was done in the preliminary round, in the first day of competition, and then I ended up going on to win that event the next day. In the final I scored a 10-point ride, I got a very, very late drop where I couldn’t think about it – I was just doing it – and I was able to sort myself, sort my body movement, sort everything out without having to think about it.”

 

tom carroll surfing

“It was all second nature, it was all sixth sense, and most definitely for me… That day I was probably at the top of my game. So, yeah.  That was two really clear examples of where I’ve been, but there’s probably been… hundreds of moments where I’ve been felt the flow, and even to the point where I felt it the other day [laughs] here at Margaret River just practicing surfing, just for fun. Yeah.”

Cameron:     
Obviously the critical elements of surfing, the big wave and the consequences of it hurting when it goes wrong help us to kind of push into that pocket and out of our brain and into that moment where we find flow. Is there anything else that you feel is a big help to kind of plugging into that? Is there anything that you do, maybe not consciously, or maybe preparation that leads up to it the morning of, or just before you’re about to paddle, or when you’re looking at the waves before you head out?

Tom:   
“I think connecting with the breath is probably the biggest thing for me. Connecting with my breath at the deepest level, like right down into the hip, into the hips and push my breath. Being aware of my breath and doing a number of breaths very, very consciously brings me further into my body, and that’s where I need to be. Quite often my scattered and very short attention span takes me out of my body, so coming back into my body… One particular exercise I used to do whilst competing was a chant, that’s where I used to say the four Ps which was power, precision, performance, perfect. Power, precision, performance, perfect – it’s like a chant.”

Cameron: 
A mantra.

Tom:
“A mantra yeah – whilst I was paddling, so each paddle I’d say “power”—as I was paddling out “power, precision, performance, perfect” so my mind would remain focused on what was coming up next for me on the wave. On the wave everything sorted out because I’ve got to respond, I can’t think, the wave’s always sort of drawing me to the present, I can’t… I don’t have time because mother nature aint’ going to wait for me. [laughs] She’s not going to wait, so what I’ve got to do is respond to her so that everything’s sorted out for me once I’m stood up on the wave, as long as I’m out of the way. So, getting myself out of the way by creating—and I’d learnt that working with a mantra helped a lot in bringing myself to the moment and keeping myself focused and not attending—you know, drifting off on to what the other competitor’s doing, what the scores were… I mean, I need to know what the scores were, but that’s secondary to my performance really.”

“I’m the only one on the wave, I’m the only one on my board, and I need to be connected to that. I don’t sort of seek constantly and consciously to always be in the flow, I wouldn’t say that’s my main aim, I wouldn’t say that’s… I do look for it for competitive excellence, but not… it’s not something that I always, always go for. I do allow myself space to be… you know, just to be… allowing my brain to move and be elastic so to speak. Because I think that’s absolutely crucial for flow.”

Cameron:    
How do you think flow can help other people?

Tom:  
“I think it helps anyone just to be present in what they’re doing, and this is what… this is pretty much another kind of meditative state that we get to where our body and mind and attention is really placed upon the most important thing, and that is right now. So, we get to attend to be a lot more present in our basic everyday task, whether it’d be doing the washing-up [laughs], whether it’d be opening the car door, whether it’d be… Yeah, just being more present in our relationships, being more present in our life in general. I think ~it’ll~ help us become more able to make clearer decisions and actually help ourselves and others at the same time. It has such a multiple sort of faceted kind of plus to our lives when we get more present. This has been my experience and it’s helped me a lot.

 

We would like to take this opportunity to thank Tom Carroll for his time and words on flow and look forward to hearing his experiences and wisdom on flow in the future.

 

 

Aucamthor: Cameron Norsworthy – Performance Director